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naughteblonde · May 04, 2009, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Well theres currently 2 players attempting to sell the large 15 slot bags in Kamadan EU D1. The price? 50 ecto....

take_me · May 04, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I just ask myself why the Coins are account-based, if everything you can exchange for them is not..... makes no sense to me.

MithranArkanere · May 04, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by take_me

I just ask myself why the Coins are account-based, if everything you can exchange for them is not..... makes no sense to me.

So those that play 8 hours a day can do this:

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Originally Posted by naughteblonde

Well theres currently 2 players attempting to sell the large 15 slot bags in Kamadan EU D1. The price? 50 ecto....

XDDD

Imaginos · May 04, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

In all seriousness, it all comes down to elitism.

No matter what, a Large Equipment Pack is always going to be viewed as "one less" than a Heavy Equipment Pack. There's going to be people that will demand it, and ArenaNet knows it. Even though the price for the Heavy Equipment Pack is totally ridiculous, it will become a goal for many and they will rack up a huge amount of play time to earn one. The goal is to keep fans crazed and playing, so it's working for the most part.

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I will say that Equipment Packs are not the greatest things that I originally thought. Once I saw how limited they were, then it began to disappoint me a little.

I found out that a lot of stuff that is filling up storage still can't go into equipment packs. A partial list of items that you can't put into any weapon pack include: Dyes, consumables, lockpicks, keys, runes, insignia, inscriptions, weapon mods, monster trophies, various reward tokens (e.g., Zaishen coins, Vabbian trade contracts), miniatures, quest items, and unopened presents. To me, this is a lot of items and it is going to make me rethink on how many equipment pack slots that I really need.

Which just makes the excessive price on these very limited storage packs even more foolish.

Daesu · May 04, 2009, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Coraline Jones

In all seriousness, it all comes down to elitism.

Not me. I just need the storage to store all my farming armor and alternate weapons.

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I found out that a lot of stuff that is filling up storage still can't go into equipment packs. A partial list of items that you can't put into any weapon pack include: Dyes, consumables, lockpicks, keys, runes, insignia, inscriptions, weapon mods, monster trophies, various reward tokens (e.g., Zaishen coins, Vabbian trade contracts), miniatures, quest items, and unopened presents. To me, this is a lot of items and it is going to make me rethink on how many equipment pack slots that I really need.

The bigger 15/20 slots packs are designed for characters with multiple sets of armor. Otherwise, the 5/10 slots should be sufficient.

Not enough space for general storage? The idea is to make you buy a storage pane.

IlikeGW · May 04, 2009, 04:18 PM // 16:18

This is getting insufferably boring as I thought it would eventually. I'm way behind in quests now... It's just not that entertaining and the bag sell prices seem to be poor for the work involved...

lilDeath · May 05, 2009, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Ye, same here. Way behind. My quests lists are full, so every day I check if there is something better that grabs my eye and I then remove a quest I don't like or don't want to do.

Not actually too bothered by it tbh. All the same old quests and missions. If it looks like something remotely interesting, then I do it, but I actually cannot be assed.
See it as a Big FU ANet.

I bet they though this would be a novel way of acquiring a STORAGE pack.

Bug John · May 05, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by naughteblonde

Well theres currently 2 players attempting to sell the large 15 slot bags in Kamadan EU D1. The price? 50 ecto....

ridiculous price for a large bag rofl... wait... I'm rich !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by take_me

I just ask myself why the Coins are account-based, if everything you can exchange for them is not..... makes no sense to me.

probably something Anet couldn't do, that's the only possible reason I see

bags should have been upgradeable and personalized, but let's just be happy with what we have, as Anet won't change anything soon

Daesu · May 05, 2009, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Bug John

bags should have been upgradeable and personalized, but let's just be happy with what we have, as Anet won't change anything soon

If they are personalized then they should be upgradeable, but since they are not upgradeable, I am glad they are not personalized.

If your storage demand goes up in the future, you can buy a bigger pack and give your smaller pack to your mule since they are not personalized. If they are personalized then you just wasted money/effort in getting the smaller pack now that you have a bigger one.

kazjun · May 05, 2009, 01:40 AM // 01:40

It ain't worth the effort. Just wait and let some other crazy fool grind their brain to mush doing this, then buy the pack off them for plat+ectos.

Arkantos · May 05, 2009, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by kazjun

It ain't worth the effort. Just wait and let some other crazy fool grind their brain to mush doing this, then buy the pack off them for plat+ectos.

Buying it:

Standing in spamadam/LA power trading, which is boring as shit
Grinding a farm area to get enough gold
Spending the gold you earned

Questing it:

Doing different quests every day
Getting gold
Getting balthazar faction
Getting reputation for titles
Spending a couple of hundred gold for the coins

If you ask me, it's more worth it to quest for the bags than to get the money and buy them.

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

ogre_jd · May 05, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

<SARCASM>Well, remember, they have absolutely no choice but to get the 20 slot bag on every single character they have.</SARCASM>

MisterT69 · May 05, 2009, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

<SARCASM>Well, remember, they have absolutely no choice but to get the 20 slot bag on every single character they have.</SARCASM>

Well joo have to understand that 5-10-15 bags; are sooooo Dolce & Gabana Spring 2005 season. Seriously, if you want chique, you need to go for the armani of ze bag catalog, ze 20 slot ultra contemporary heavy bag. I mean seriously...if you can't have the best, how do you expect to frap your epeen 24/7?

Yeah you, random epeen frapper person, as seen by your habits of buying the biggest/most expensive items in GW, how could you live with yourself by not buying the biggest/most expensive bag in GW? /endscarcasm

Gli · May 05, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Buying it:

Standing in spamadam/LA power trading, which is boring as shit
Grinding a farm area to get enough gold
Spending the gold you earned

Powertrading? How long does it take to buy a bag? I already have more than enough money.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Questing it:

Doing different quests every day

Already doing that. It's what people who play characters through the game do anyway.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Getting gold

Already have some, have better ways of making it than 500-1,000 at a time per quest.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Getting balthazar faction

Don't need it.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Getting reputation for titles

Don't need it on the characters that could jump all about the map doing the Z-Quests.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

If you ask me, it's more worth it to quest for the bags than to get the money and buy them.

And if you ask me, it isn't. Maybe it is if getting the money involves more than just clicking the Xunlai chest, where I keep it.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

I have no issue with the grind aspect. I just hate how slavishly doing these Z-quests every day, even if only the 2 PvE ones just once, my existing goals and ambitions in the game would grind to a halt. (Oh wow, I managed to use the word grind in my complaint.

) So, questing for packs seems out of the question for me. I won't be getting any coins except on the rare occasion that the quests coincide with what I log on to accomplish.

So, grind away you Zaishen slaves, and sell me your bags! Meanwhile, I'll be playing Guild Wars.

the_jos · May 05, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I'd like to add something on the PvP quests.

It gives people the possibility to try them.
Sure, they probably won't get far in HA, GvG or TA. But getting better at the easier forms is very possible.
There might be some 'competitive' players who call names. I've seen plenty of them in PvE so it's not limited to PvP. More over, while I know some good competitive players can give harsh comments but most of the time they won't be rude or call names. It's the not-so-very-good-pretending-to-be-good that act that way.

Sticking with PvE is absolutely ok, a guildie of mine decided to take only the AB quests because she can play that with guildies.
But don't forget that jumping into the PvP quests can learn people something new and you can take that experience with you in PvE. I know I'm monking PvE a lot more efficient since I learned to play a decent PvP monk.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 05, 2009, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Gli

Powertrading? How long does it take to buy a bag? I already have more than enough money.

Already doing that. It's what people who play characters through the game do anyway.
Already have some, have better ways of making it than 500-1,000 at a time per quest.
Don't need it.
Don't need it on the characters that could jump all about the map doing the Z-Quests.

And if you ask me, it isn't. Maybe it is if getting the money involves more than just clicking the Xunlai chest, where I keep it.

I have no issue with the grind aspect. I just hate how slavishly doing these Z-quests every day, even if only the 2 PvE ones just once, my existing goals and ambitions in the game would grind to a halt. (Oh wow, I managed to use the word grind in my complaint.

) So, questing for packs seems out of the question for me. I won't be getting any coins except on the rare occasion that the quests coincide with what I log on to accomplish.

So, grind away you Zaishen slaves, and sell me your bags! Meanwhile, I'll be playing Guild Wars.

So zquests aren't playing the game?

You would rather do whatever you do repeatedly over and over again to get more money than you ever need (unless you have a minipet fetish)?

I highly doubt that whatever you're doing is less of a grind.

Gli · May 05, 2009, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

So zquests aren't playing the game?

They are a very limited way of playing the game. There is much much more to do than Z-missions and a Z-bounties. Also, I prefer to play content in the order I chose, the order that makes sense for the character I'm working on.

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

You would rather do whatever you do repeatedly over and over again to get more money than you ever need (unless you have a minipet fetish)?

The way I play, by the time I start replaying content, many months have passed.

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I highly doubt that whatever you're doing is less of a grind.

You can doubt all you like. Don't blame me though if I don't give a rodent's rectum about the suspicions regarding my playstyle of someone who never watched me play.

byteme! · May 05, 2009, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Buying it:

Standing in spamadam/LA power trading, which is boring as shit
Grinding a farm area to get enough gold
Spending the gold you earned

Questing it:

Doing different quests every day
Getting gold
Getting balthazar faction
Getting reputation for titles
Spending a couple of hundred gold for the coins

If you ask me, it's more worth it to quest for the bags than to get the money and buy them.

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times? Seems that people like throwing around words these days.

It only takes 1 day to farm up the required ecto to buy a bag. In some cases we already have the money. You go ahead and collect your coins. Since there are a lot of individuals who think like you, it shouldn't be too difficult to find 20 slot bags in the near future.

lilDeath · May 05, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Also, when will you people realize that doing the quests is not grind unless you do every quest multiple times?

You answered your own question, albeit indirectly.

If you want the 15 or 20-slot pack, you have to do the quests on several characters. This is to get the pack in a fair (this fairness-meter will be different between people) amount of time. Waiting several weeks (for the 15 slot) and months (for the 20 slot) in doing these quests, is just ridiculous (imo ofc).

I am close to getting my 15 slot pack (since the time-cost for the 20 slot is just stupid!). I will probably get it tonight when completing the last few missions. This is more than a week that it took me of virtually doing just the ZQuests. No other 'normal' GW play for me due to this.
I am doing the ZQuests NOW, since I have a STORAGE problem NOW, which was supposed to be sorted out by this update. (Little did we know, heh.)

And yes, I have already purchased the 5 slotters on all my chars, this is merely a short-term fix. (Which cannot even be upgraded? Yes, very well thought-through, i.e. 'smart'.)

Like Gli said, it has taken me away from my usual playing of GW, the way I want to do it. That is a BIG plus GW has, the freedom you have of how to play their game.

This is what I don't appreciate. I don't have hours on end to spend on doing these ZQuests and to do what I normally do - Which is taking my characters through all the different campaigns missions and quests THE WAY I WANT TO DO IT and not hap-hazard like ANet wants us to do it with the ZQuests.

Other than this and getting a few 15 slot packs for my biggest / main chars, I will wait for the 20 slot packs prices to drop and just buy it from players.

HawkofStorms · May 05, 2009, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

You answered your own question, albeit indirectly.

If you want the 15 or 20-slot pack, you have to do the quests on several characters.

OR... like I said, just take your time. You gotta think long term. Sure, if you want storage NOW!! you'll be grinding your butt off (for either money to buy the bag or the coins to get it, ps, the difficulty will be finding someone who will sell the bag and beating out the other people who will bid on this indemand item, the money itself is easy to get) .

If you just do the quests gradually over the course of a year, you'll get it with minimal grind.